are you saying president obama is benghazi? >> no, but i'm saying he's responsible for failure in afghanistan and iraq. iraq is now disintegrating, al qaeda is coming back. we didn't leave a residual force in afghanistan, he overruled his military advisers on several occasions, including 30,000 instead of 40,000 for the surge and accelerated withdrawal dates and now we have a situation where taliban and our enemies know we are leaving, and the whole premise, was to train afghans to turn over these responsibilities to them, and leave. now how can we train and work with these people if so many them are killing americans we can't even train and operate with them? by that policy, it has been an abject failure. >> we'll talk more with senator mccain about domestic issues a bit later in the program. first, bob baer and fran townsend. fran, served as a member of the cia external advisory committee, and last month visited libya with her employer, mccannkancan forbes. he said that there were security concerns. >> we had a long conversat